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Tuesday, November 07, 2006

East or West, where to go?


Discussion about the cultural identity in the whole world is caused by complex of attitude to the West. Almost all people in the world are trying to live in the west style. But since they noticed, that West doesn’t consider them equals and worth, they become disappointed, annoyed, and have a tendency to stand on their own values. They criticize a western depravity, corruptness and atheism, but live in the houses, equipped in a western style, drives the imported cars. Main part of the discussion about the West and East has no real basement. When people exchange by their perceptions about foreigners, and have no real basement, their polemic is just an empty crap.
Orientals say, as if in the West there are harsh individualism without any respect to parents and old people, a perverse sex and violence. I observe 8 year marriage life of my sister with European in Germany. I visited France, Holland, Belgium and lived in families there, so after all can say in the firm belief that this view has no connection with norms in the West.

Individualism lets human be free (relatively, as in the West there are some attachments also), and doesn’t affect other humans rights in the same time. In the West there are no morality code, written or non-written, which forces to respect their parents. People in the West just without it love their parents and friends very much. In other words, in the West natural human felling of sympathy and love joins people together instead of forced religion and other morals.
Way of living in the West is unpretentious. The only little minority are ably to let themselves “Porsche” or “Jaguar”. Europeans don’t seek for the new models of mobiles. They spend a main part of their incomes for education of their children, for vacation and equipment of their houses. I know from reliable source, that wife of Minister Economics in Germany once helped her son, when he was injured, to reap a harvest, she drove tractor by herself, though she was able hire workers for sure. Orientals also identify West with a luxurious life. In fact, in the West moral dignity and freedom are more valuable then materialistic goods.
I still haven’t decided how to identify myself, I relate to Russian as well as to Ukraine, and I can’t decide if these countries western or eastern. Last time I have carried away to the East as it was always antipode to that western materialistic culture.

I’ve thought eastern morale was able to improve ambiguous western cult of personality, which I’ve thought ignores interests of other people. But, I was fallen in love with phantom of the East.
I tried it on, as a new dress or cosmetic, as it was the last word in fashion here.
And I had lack of objective overview about other civilizations. Lot of old stereotypes I got from school, university and mass media. According to my stereotypes, every oriental is exceptionally spiritual, has own spiritual teacher. Whole day long they pray and spend time in meditations and talking to God. When they are not pray, they work for their family well-being. They never drink, never eat drugs and don’t do any crime, as lows of Shariat so stricted. Every woman is master of bellydance and example of honor same time. It was a little problem with legalization of male’s polygamy, but, well, where they are not polygamous? It is even better, as they honestly marry all their passions. I will not mention myths about Far East, they even more silly…

This East doesn’t exist. Values and mentality of people change with economical development. Typical example is Western Europe, which doesn’t inherited Greek and Roman civilizations straightly. After Germans destroyed them, Europeans have lived a primitive life. Greek and Roman knowledge were inherited by Arabs and natural sciences have developed in the near East and central Asia. The Europeans imitated Greece-Roman culture from the Byzantium and Arabs. After “epoch of great navigation” Europeans monopolized a trade flow to the East, a center of the wealth and worlds trade in that time, and riches in the America. Modernization of Europe started that time with a changing of social order, manners of communicating, values and mentality, developing of economics and science.
Statement of western Europeans that freedom and democracy is the only way of development, that only Europeans were able to develop science, it is nothing but arrogance and a lack of knowledge about their history.
Freedom and democracy in its current appearance were formed only at the beginning of 20 century. And it is not a reason, but consequence of development.
Other nations are able to develop science as well as democracy.
And well, my conclusion: it is better to stay somewhere in the middle, taking the best from both sides...

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At 8/11/06 06:19, Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39KZ2afBtLU

Your history is a bit lax :-), but that's O'K.

The russophile vs zapadnik problem has bothered Russia for a very long time. Here people couldn't care less.

Assuming that the west is "godless" is inaccurate. Parts of Europe, perhaps, but the US of A is quite religious.

 
At 8/11/06 10:14, Blogger Lamis said...

Thanks for song, enjoyed it so much, old lovely disco…
This one is also cool: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFiX1FDyh5w

History is the same unfaithful slut as statistic :) every historical fact we can turn to our theory advantage.

Do you remember soviet’s history textbooks?
We learned that Russia were formed after Kievska Rus’ and then appeared Ukraine and joined “elder brother” with pleasure.
In the current books I read that Ukraine were since Kievska Rus’, and Russia it is later formation, who always depressed us and our great culture.
Simple fact, two views, both seems correct, but how much it changes self identification and brings up patriotic feelings of different sides.

I agree with you that USA is religious, that's why I didn't mention them in the post, they destroy my west godless picture :))

 
At 9/11/06 05:21, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nice song. Shame I can't figure out what they are on about.

 
At 9/11/06 12:04, Blogger Unknown said...

Lax, And what were you trying to say with the post, cause i am confused as to the objective of this?

 
At 9/11/06 14:32, Blogger Lamis said...

Dear Kalashnikov,

Thanks, for not forgetting me :)

I’ve read somewhere, that human is not worth to live if (s)he is not self-identified, so I tried to identify myself immediately, for not to be killed ;)

You see, we have oriental boom here now. An amount of sushi-bars, Caucasian, Arabian restaurants is bigger then Europeans one. Youth use to practice Indian yoga, Chinese qigong and tea ceremony, Japanese karate, Arabic dances.

Earlier, since “iron curtain” fall down till approximately 2000 (2002?) we had western boom, everyone tried to escape to the America, Israel, Canada, we were so much charmed by their luxurious life, by bubble gums, by Mersedeses, by incredible music and freedom…but lot of emigrants have found no luxury, and some even have returned back with broken dreams...

Plus, I’m half Russian, half Ukrainian, was born in the totally atheistic country which doesn’t exist anymore. I live in the place between Asia and Europe. my grand parents are atheistic truly communists, my parents are patriots/nationalists. Ma is Christian Russian patriot, Pa is atheistic Ukrainian nationalist.

All facts above make chaos in my head, when I’m trying to identify myself – nationality, religion, country and even language. Western and eastern culture attracts me both. And of course I love our own culture, Ukrainian folk songs and Russian classic literature.

I made a conclusion that I’m flexible enough to take any identification, if it is necessary for making people, who I love, happy and safe. My current position is over national, religious, cultural or any other so important for self-identification things. And exchanging of good cultural experience increases intellectual development.

P.S. Last paragraph is the main idea

 
At 9/11/06 15:43, Blogger Lamis said...

Shlemazl,

I got they are about popularization of an American’s life style with their obsessions with fashion, fast-foods, depravity…

In childhood we were so crazy about this song...

 
At 10/11/06 05:44, Anonymous Anonymous said...

lax,

You are going to confuse GBK even more.

In a 100 m street next to my office we have 2 Chinese, 2 Japanese, 2 Indian, 1 Italian, 1 Jewish, 1 Mexican, 1 vegetarian and 1 Korean restaurant. Oriental food is predominant. Does it mean that there is an Oriental boom in the west?

In fact, all world religions came from the Orient (Judea), Democracy came from the Orient (Greece is kind of east of the west), Laws came from the Orient (Hamurabi), math came from the Orient (Babilon), Toronto is full of Orientals (Chinese is language No 2 after English)...

Does it mean that the west has oriental boom right now? I am not so sure. People here just absorb anything they like.

 
At 10/11/06 10:02, Blogger Lamis said...

Shlemazl,

You have a lot of immigrants from east, they try to keep their identification and provide with their culture, it is immigrants’ boom. We have only a few immigrants here. Who would want immigrate to Ukraine in his senses? ))
Ukrainians for some reason want to absorb oriental now, what name to give for all of this? Probably it is just last word in fashion? Or we imitate it because were disappointed of treatment in the west?

 
At 11/11/06 07:56, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nah; it's just that the Indian, Chinese and Japanese food tastes great. Nothing more to it.

 

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